Attention bikers: Loud pipes don't make your penis look any larger.

Photo of motorcycle exhaust pipes that look like penises

Walk up to any motorcyclist on the street and ask why they removed their perfectly good, stock motorcycle exhaust system and replaced it with ‘loud pipes,’ and you will hear a resounding, “What..?! I can't hear you over the sound of my bike!” Because, while there may seemingly be some “debate” over whether or not ‘Loud pipes save lives,’ there is no denying that their apologists are just a bunch of inconsiderate attention-whores.

Now, I'm a live-and-let-live kind of guy, and I live my life by one moral imperative: Do anything you want as long as it's consensual, and doesn't infringe on the rights of others.

It's a simple, elegant and decidedly dogma-free maxim by which to live—I highly recommend it to everyone, particularly hard-line conservatives and religious fundamentalists. If you want to wear only swim-fins and sing opera music, go ahead. Just don't do it where I have to hear it.

I have nothing against people who ride motorcycles. I do, however, have a beef with the rude jerks who ride loud motorcycles.

Now, before anyone goes off in a blind rage, let me assure readers that I have nothing against people who ride motorcycles. In fact, I applaud their environmentally friendly attempts to forestall this planet's slow descent into a gas-starved, Mad Max dystopia. I do, however, have a beef with the rude jerks who ride loud motorcycles. (The notable exception is “Ninja” rice-burners, because by the time they get loud, they're already 3 miles away.) It's mainly those car-alarm triggering, stoplight-revving Harley riders who tear through residential neighborhoods at night that get my goat (UPDATE: I was prompted to write this specifically because loud motorcycles are common in my area, but I should also include loud cars and cars with crazy-loud stereos in this—it's not just loud motorcyclists who are inconsiderate).

The problem(s) with loud pipes.

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Say, there's a thought.

Why? Well, for starters, what they're doing is illegal. And actually, that's the end of my argument, too. In most states, loud pipes violate noise ordinances more blatantly than an outdoor Celine Dion concert. According to California Vehicle Code, Section 27200 (and 27202), emitting “a maximum noise exceeding the applicable noise limit [80-decibels] at a distance of 50 feet” is flat-out, against the law (pre-1985 and off-road bikes, excepted).

At the Federal level, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), acting under 1972 Noise Control Act (42 U.S.C. § 4901 et seq.), likewise enacted regulations specifying, among other things, that exhaust equipment not emit more than 80 decibels.

See? The prosecution rests. Case closed. It’s illegal to drive a vehicle that emits more than 80-decibels, a level easily eclipsed by many aftermarket exhaust pipes.

So the discussion of whether ‘loud pipes save lives’ or not ends right there. The only discussion people should be having on this topic is how to effectively enforce current noise laws (I say we use elephant darts). (UPDATE: Or there's this new invention being tested in Calgary.)

The case against being a total d-bag.

There's absolutely no data to support the notion that loud pipes increase rider safety, but there's an ass-load of anecdotal and correlative evidence to suggest that they piss off everyone within a mile. (UPDATE: And there's now scientific evidence showing the cardiovascular effects of noise (i.e. loud traffic noises cause heart attacks).)

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Over compensate much?

To wit, according to NoiseOff, “the two types of bikes that most often use loud pipes (cruisers and sport bikes) are significantly over-represented in crash data (accidents per type vehicle mile).” In other words, bikes with supposedly life-saving loud pipes are more likely to be involved in collisions than bikes with stock pipes, not less likely. Of course, the data could also imply that riders of cruisers and sport bikes need more safety gear because they are less-competent riders or take more stupid risks. Either way, these are problems that are better solved through training and education than exhaust volume.

Now, I'm not saying these riders shouldn't be concerned for their personal safety, only that loud pipes clearly aren't doing the job.

As proof, consider data from the Hurt Report in which it's noted that 77% of motorcycle accident hazards come from in front of the rider, while only 3% come from behind them. Yet most of the sound from loud pipes is directed backwards.

Of course, the data could also imply that riders of cruisers and sport bikes need more safety gear because they are less-competent riders or take more stupid risks. Either way, these are problems that are better solved through training and education than exhaust volume.

For loud pipes to be a real safety measure, they'd need to point forward like the sirens on emergency vehicles. Strangely, most bikes come equipped from the factory with just such safety equipment—it's called a horn. For decades, automobile drivers have made effective use of the horn’s sudden blaring sound to alert inattentive and/or clueless drivers to the fact that they driving like shit. This approach works for cars, and it would work for motorcycles, too. Therefore, there's no “safety reason” to install loud pipes.

Some people have even tried to support the loud-pipe argument by proving the negative, citing the lack of noise made by a hybrid automobile as proof that bikers should be allowed to emit 80+ decibels of continuous noise anywhere they please.

They claim that, a lack of sound is dangerous, therefore lots of sound must be safe, which is like arguing that since the lack of water is fatal, a hurricane will make you immortal. Obviously, it's all a matter of degree.

In the end, motorcycle safety isn't really about being heard at all. Most drivers involved in motorcycle accidents don't claim they didn't hear the biker, they say they didn't see them. So, conspicuousness of the frontal surfaces of the motorcycle is the critical factor, since “accident involvement is significantly reduced by the use of headlamps in daylight and the wearing of high visibility yellow, orange or bright red jackets.” But try convincing bikers that they should wear bright yellow jumpsuits instead of leathers. (Good luck with that.)

Personal safety isn't the real reason.

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Two asses on a bike.

Regardless of what they profess to believe, loud pipers might have ulterior motives for bastardizing their bikes. According to NoiseOff.org, “the intense sound caused by loud motorcycles ... triggers an involuntary stress response commonly known as ‘flight or flight.’ This results in the secretion of adrenaline, with ensuing spikes in cardio-respiratory rates, muscle tension, and elevated blood pressure.”

All of which sounds pretty sweet, until you consider the downsides of doing this two-stroke tango, like vibroacoustic disease. What's that, you ask? Read on:

[Vibroacoustic disease is the] cumulative and chronic disease caused by exposure to ... low frequency sound energy that affects the nervous system and prolonged exposure can lead to progressive medical conditions.

Ouch. Ironically, one of the “medical conditions” that vibroacoustic disease causes is sexual dysfunction. Yeah, according to the International Journal of Impotence Research (and, yes, there is one), motorcycling was the strongest risk factor for [erectile dysfunction] in almost 70% of riders. That sorta puts the lie to the belief that bikers get a lot of sex, huh?

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How many Sexually Transmitted Diseases do you think she has?

There’s also emerging theories saying that bikes emit Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) Electric and Magnetic Radiation (EMF) that may cause cancer in riders.

Rebels without a sense of irony.

Of course, bikers aren't afraid of a little vibroacoustic disease, erectile dysfunction, groin cancer or early onset deafness, right? No, they're rebels, dammit!

So, then, shouldn’t they not want safety gear? I mean, what kind of rebel is concerned about getting hurt? I thought the whole “badass biker mystique” was all about cheating death, courting danger at every turn and living on the razor's edge.

Rebels aren't supposed to have any concern for their personal safety—that's what makes them rebels! Hells, yeah! But if these guys (and gals) really believe they need all the extra “safety” that loud pipes provide, how can they still claim to be rebels? They can’t. Not with a straight face, anyway.

But let's say they're right.

Still, just for the sake of argument, let's say that these folks are correct about loud-pipes. Let's allow that loud pipes already have in the past—and will in the future—save many lives.

Loud pipes don't save lives. Proper training, safety gear and loud horns do.

The next question becomes, What kind of lives do loud pipes save? Well, from a Darwin-esque viewpoint, it seems like the “inconsiderate” kind. Do we want rude men and women having more rude kids? Do we as a society want more people who blatantly flout the law? More people who mindlessly adhere to an out-dated leather-based fashion aesthetic, and unrestrained head hair? (Honestly, how does keeping Steppenwolf songs on the radio make the world a better place?)

Hey, I didn’t say you’re gay, “South Park” did.

Whoa, whoa, before anybody gets all crazy, I'm referring to this episode of South Park where loud-pipers are portrayed as rude, attention-craving children. And Matt Stone and Trey Parker aren't alone in believing this. There’s a groundswell of public support building against these self-centered delusion-bags. Like C.A.L.M. (Citizens Against Loud Motorcycles), and NoiseOff.org. And when your hobby's own advocacy group, the American Motorcycle Association, comes out against loud pipes, you know you're riding on slick, wet asphalt with bald tires:

The [AMA] believes that few other factors contribute more to ... prejudice against the motorcycling community than excessively noisy motorcycles... Failing to adopt responsible policies on a voluntary basis can only result in greater prejudice and discrimination against motorcycling...

And Bill Dart of the Off-Road Business Association, warns, No motorcycle rights organization has the power to stop all of the laws and proposals sweeping the nation in reaction to excessive noise....It is up to each of us to exert peer pressure on those who are using excessively loud pipes.

If loud-pipe lovers were really concerned about their safety, there are many real and effective solutions other than using excessive volume. They could install louder horns, wear full-face helmets, proper high-visibility riding jackets and decent footwear. Hell, they could even get one of those stupid bike flags we used as kids and be better off.

So if loud pipes don’t make you safer, why install them?

Regardless of whether bikers admit it or not, the whole ‘Loud pipes saves lives’ mantra is just a ruse. Most motorcyclists, when pressed, will even admit that they put loud pipes on solely for “macho reasons” and because it “sounds cool” to them. But do they know what makes loud-pipes sounds cool to them? Cultural sociology professor, Carl Rohde, thinks there’s a simple answer to why people buy things they think are cool: Empowerment.

According to his research, people buy cool things to enhance their social image and standing, in other words, to bolster their self-esteem. And low self-esteem can lead to “acting out” as this British site notes.

The emotionally immature [person] ... has low levels of self-esteem and self-confidence and consequently feels insecure; to counter these feelings of insecurity they will spend a large proportion of their lives creating situations in which they become the centre of attention....Being the centre of attention alleviates feelings of insecurity and inadequacy but the relief is temporary as the underlying problem remains unaddressed: low self-confidence and low self-esteem, and consequent low levels of self-worth and self-love. —From Bully Online.

So maybe loud-pipe aficionados just feel a need for attention that they never got from their emotionally distant or abusive parents. Maybe loud pipes are just a cry for help—a really, really, annoying 90-decibel cry for help. Maybe we shouldn't hate loud bikers, but pity them instead.

Or maybe we should just say “screw it” and fine them.

Guess what

no one is trying to impress you, or act out or get your attention. Bikers like the sound of loud pipes and that's all there is to it. Sure, there are the morons who like to do 50 mph in 1st gear but they are a minority and not limited to motorcycles. Funny you don't notice the rest of us. You don't like it so great, go waste your time crying about it. I would back off your arrogant condescending tone regarding what is ultimately an opinion a bit though, otherwise you may come off as most whiny assholes do, struggling to compensate with a thesaurus and too much free time.

Guess what?

You must have missed the ENTIRE second paragraph where I said: "I have nothing against people who ride motorcycles...No, it's mainly those car-alarm triggering, stoplight-revving Harley riders who get my goat." So this article CLEARLY isn't referring to you. As for my not noticing other loud vehicles, know that I do. In fact, in another version of this article I even admitted that I, myself, used to race automobiles, so you can't claim that I "don't get it." (I edited out my lapsed SCCA membership as it was off-topic and self-aggrandizing—there I go using that damn Thesaurus again, my bad). As for your concern that I temper my "arrogant condescending tone," thanks for precisely making my point about offending others. The critical difference here being that my "offensive" rants don't annoy pedestrians or interrupt anyone's sleep.

Noise?

The lame F%^$ who wrote this article must have had his woman run off with a harley rider. While I don't see the point of revving an engine just to make noise, I HAVE used a rev to let someone know I was already occupying a lane as they started to veer into my lane.

No. And definitely yes.

No, my wife hasn't run off with a harley rider (I know, you're shocked). And yes, people seriously suck at driving, but loud pipes won't cure that problem. Only yanking licenses will.

you may not hear me coming but you'll see me pulling away

You should try you're horn next time, that's what it's for.

I couldn't agree more

Well, maybe I could, but why? You made a great case that I will gladly share with others who are faced with more and more folks throwing that tired line up in our faces, Loud Pipes Save Lives.

What about the little critters that run out in the road? I was told. How else are you going to scare them away and out of your path? Well, a good air horn should do the trick nicely.
I just bought a Wolo Bad Boy air horn, which, by the way, emits sound forward instead of backward.

Thanks,
Vicky

hmmmm

You must have had either your ass kicked by a biker at some time or another for you to be so down on bikers. Let it go man you'll feel a lot better! Why don't you just admit it! You don't like Harley's or the people that ride them. Well guess what pal WE don't like little pansy assed Birkenstock wearing BMW riding Felix Unger wannabes like YOU!

And for your information loud pipes DO save lives or at least get you noticed by the stupid cagers who are too busy texting or yakking on their cell phones to see you. I can't tell you how many times I have revved and got some idiots attention before they cut me off on the highway. You'd know that if you really rode.

I have drag pipes on my bike for no other reason other than I like them. I don't have to have a reason why. If anyone doesn't like them then let them come try and take them off!

Really, dude?

[quote]Let it go man you'll feel a lot better! Why don't you just admit it! You don't like Harley's or the people that ride them. [/quote]

No, actually, I don't like thoughtless, inconsiderate people. Do you?

[quote]And for your information loud pipes DO save lives or at least get you noticed by the stupid cagers who are too busy texting or yakking on their cell phones to see you. I can't tell you how many times I have revved and got some idiots attention before they cut me off on the highway. [/quote]

Brother, does your bike not have a horn? Cuz, that's what it's meant for.

my "offensive" rants don't annoy pedestrians or interrupt anyone

You're right. I don't think ANYONE is going to lose sleep over your arrogant ass. Your opinion is just that, your opinion. But unfortunately we get a bunch of people, like you, together and we get another right stripped from us. All in the name of "We know what's best for you". Tell ya what, after this rant why not go after lawnmowers, diesel trucks, airplanes, loud stereos, whiny people, etc., etc.,etc. ? Better yet think of something else you don't like and/or disagree with and try stopping those folks from doing whatever it is. Cuz ,you know, it's what's best for them and others around them.

And speaking of laws, do you have any idea how many laws there are ? Man, there is no way in hell anybody can go through a day without breaking some sort of law. Ya know why that is ? Read through your own rant and I bet you can figure it out.

Bobby aka MadMidget

Freedoms!

[quote] But unfortunately we get a bunch of people, like you, together and we get another right stripped from us. All in the name of "We know what's best for you". [/quote]

First of all, you don't actually have a "right" to put loud pipes on your motorcycle (you don't even have a right to ride a motorcycle--it's a privilege). Your only right in this instance is the Right to Free Speech, and you have exercised it! Well done! U! S! A!

[quote]Tell ya what, after this rant why not go after lawnmowers, diesel trucks, airplanes, loud stereos, whiny people, etc., etc.,etc. ? [/quote]

Good point, Bobby. Those are all unnecessarily loud things.

Clarification, Please.

"I do not hate motorcycles. In fact, I ride a bike myself." What "bike"? A Schwinn?

Oh and thank you for saving me the cost of seeking therapy. Its great know that I am, in reality, an attention whore, a scaredy-cat & probably a closet homo and immature to boot in stead of the retired IT administrator, ex-Marine, biker (non-AMA member) I mistakenly thought I was.

Have a nice day. I must rush out and buy all the appropriate riding equipment that you so thoughtfully pointed out I should have. Fortunately, the funds I put away for the shrink should be sufficient for the task.

Oh, I get it.

Hey, wait a minute. You were being sarcastic, weren't you?

Now that you mention it

I don't agree with you. If anyone is crying out for attention it seems to be you trying to piss off another minority, a.k.a. bikers and motorcycle enthusiasts. You're entitled to your opinion same as everybody else but just because you have an article for a platform doesn't give you the right to try and ram your viewpoint down everyones throat. NOISE is created by more than just the two wheel public as you stated but I don't hear any concerns over the idiots riding around in their four wheel boom boxes. I personally have a air horn for my bike that I blow before I pass cagers because they are usually on their cell phones texting, talking or updating their personal page. We can spend all day long exchanging insults or saying these "statistics show" blah, blah, blah, or how so-and-so says in their article blah, blah, blah.

Don't take it the wrong way but you need to get over this rant you're having. Take a couple Midol and call your gynecologist in the morning.

Glad you mentioned it.

[quote=Anonymous]You're entitled to your opinion same as everybody else but just because you have an article for a platform doesn't give you the right to try and ram your viewpoint down everyones throat.[/quote]

Exactly how does posting a rant on a blog that no one reads count as ramming? I'm just venting, my friend.

[quote]NOISE is created by more than just the two wheel public as you stated but I don't hear any concerns over the idiots riding around in their four wheel boom boxes.[/quote]

Fair point. Frankly, I'd forgotten about them because I don't see/hear them much around me. But I'll gladly add them to the list of rude people. Thanks for reminding me.

[quote] I personally have a air horn for my bike that I blow before I pass cagers because they are usually on their cell phones texting, talking or updating their personal page.[/quote]

Leaning on your horn is TOTALLY justified for people who suck at driving (almost all drivers, sadly). Taking your idea further, I would happily endorse a "Horns4Pipes" swap program.

[quote]We can spend all day long exchanging insults or saying these "statistics show" blah, blah, blah, or how so-and-so says in their article blah, blah, blah.[/quote]

I'd like that. I'd like people to support their counter-argument with some facts (instead of "You suck!")

[quote]Don't take it the wrong way but you need to get over this rant you're having. Take a couple Midol and call your gynecologist in the morning.[/quote]

Excellent! I see what you did there. Kudos.

Werd!

Nigga please!

Croz yer just a f**kin moron

Croz yer just a f**kin moron no more no less just a f**kin moron. ya egotistical I need my mommys titty rubbie ass.

TRAMP

That is just awesome.

I don't know what any of that comment means, but it is amazing.

And pipes have saved lives..

You think you know freedom.....you dont. It is something that eludes you. Happens to bottlenecks. Real freedom is what we are. That which you are not capable of or never truly knowing... LW

Clarification:

Are we talking about freedom in the Constitutional sense or the "riding with the wind in my hair and bugs in my teeth" sense?

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Great report

This is a great report on loud bikes. It's remarkable that such a small minority, probably less than one percent of the population, can create so much noise pollution with what appears to be immunity from any consequences.
However, for those who may remember the beginnings of the second-hand smoke issue, it was started by a very small group of people who were not highly regarded by most.
However, now smoking in the presence of those who don't want to be exposed to the toxins of tobacco smoke is about as acceptable as spitting on the floor.
And in terms of societal acceptance, that's where loud riding is heading.

Crosby, you're an idiot! Get

Crosby, you're an idiot! Get a life.

look in the mirror

The majority of Americas agree with Crosby on this one. maybe you're the idiot here.

look in the mirror

The majority of Americas agree with Crosby on this one. maybe you're the idiot here.

Loud pipes

Well I for one am here to tell you that loud pipes did save my wife and I from serious injury or more. Franklin Tn. 2007, two teenage female twits(did not say what I wanted for respect of female riders) had pulled over on the side of the road to naturally, talk on the freakin cell phones and just as I turned the corner the driver decides to start driving again, only she is still on the cell and "yuh" this is my road pulls right out in front of me. The only thing that saved us was that I reved the engine and she heard the pipes. We went down and the blond beyach kept going.

So take your opinion and shove it up your ass. I like loud pipes and yea this is not going to help the cause but I just like to piss assholes like you off when I pull up beside ya. And like my guns, you'll get my pipes off MY HARLEY the same way. So if your ever down Nashville way and ya see a long haired, bearded harley rider,"with loud pipes" setting next to ya. Just look over and grimuse and I'll say HI in my own special way. Ya'll be safe now, ya hear. Wes148

another douche

Its more likely that you don't know how to ride and just fell over. Ever heard of a horn? it's that little button on your left handlebar.

Next time, try using your

Next time, try using your fucking horns, asshole!

Amazingly arrogant and redundant article

"And do we as a society even want to save the lives of these people? People who blatantly flout the law? People who don't wear proper helmets or safety gear? People who mindlessly adhere to an out-dated fashion aesthetic and unrestrained facial hair? I think not."

So, it's up to you to decide whose life is worth more ? That's funny, WE AS A SOCIETY? I did not realize that you were able to speak for all of society or that you had the right to decide whose life is worth more. Last time I checked, everyone puts their pants legs on a leg at a time and bleeds red. I know that you might like to delude yourself into thinking that you are better than everyone else, but your just another insecure little man with an opinion. Now please, come back at me with some juvenile insults and name calling and further prove my point if you choose to wast your time doing so.

Arrogant, possibly. But redundant?

[quote]So, it's up to you to decide whose life is worth more ? That's funny, WE AS A SOCIETY? I did not realize that you were able to speak for all of society or that you had the right to decide whose life is worth more. [/quote]

Ah, that was meant as a joke. In hindsight, though, I can see that it's a little harsh. I was pretty angry at the time I wrote it...

[quote]I know that you might like to delude yourself into thinking that you are better than everyone else, but your just another insecure little man with an opinion.[/quote]

Well, that's your insecure little opinion. So let's agree to disagree.

[quote]Now please, come back at me with some juvenile insults and name calling and further prove my point if you choose to wast your time doing so.[/quote]

Where did you get the idea that I was being juvenile? I used lots of big words and complex sentence structure. And, as for wasting my time, clearly I have no problem doing that...

Second Hand Smoke and Loud Pipes

I would also like to add a comment to the person that had a smart-alec remark about the second hand smoke as well as the idiot that posted this article. I suggest that people like you re-read your Constitution and the quotes of your founding fathers. The country was never supposed to be built on a privileged few deciding what should be acceptable and what should not be acceptable FORCING everyone else to live the way that THEY want to the people to live.
Me, I got a thing about kids on skateboards, find them annoying, BUT if I believe in a FREE country, I realize that the whole point of a FREE country is to tolerate the good with the bad and not sit upon a high horse and tell other people what they need to do with their lives.
Sociably acceptable ? It sure is odd how many people LOVE to ram socially acceptable into legislation and FORCE people to do what THEY want, until the laws and the legislation affects them. Yes, most of the hypocrites that object to loud pipes and second hand smoke are all for having the government tell everyone else what to do with their lives, until the government starts telling THEM what to do with their lives.
I guess the people that want to get rid of loud pipes because they are not acceptable want the government to tell them what to eat, what to wear, what to read because it is socially acceptable and all who do not agree need to be outlawed.
The fact that the poster of this article had to make blanket statements about Harley Riders and pass all these stereotypical judgements upon bikers to prove his point, only demonstrates his Absolutist ignorant view that everyone should have his opinion and all opposed should be pushed aside. His last sentence says something about his "condescending attitude". Nope, I don't expect you to lose the attitude, because you are a narrow minded, ignorant prick that thinks loud pipes should be done away with cause YOU don't like them. I am keeping my loud pipes and my cigarettes and if you don't like them, well, it is too bad. Deal with it.

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